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    Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Paskov123, Aug 6, 2016.

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    1. I agree! We need more sophistication in catching cheaters and harsher punishments

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    2. I somewhat agree! We only need more sophistication in catching cheaters!

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    3. I somewhat agree! We only need harsher punishments!

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    4. I disagree!

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    1. Paskov123
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      Paskov123 Experienced Member

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      I've been playing on mineverse for a very long time and over the past few months having been spending my time on bedwars and infection. Recently, I have noticed that there are way too many hackers. Of the several years that I have played on mineverse, I have never noticed a bigger issue with hackers/cheaters than now. Just in my last bedwars game, there were 9 hackers out of the 13 players (myself not being one of them). That's ridiculous, especially for a server of this size! Now, I know that every player can take screenshots/record videos and then report a player, but obviously this method is simply not enough (probably due to the time and effort it takes to do so for the players). I recently went to several other servers and noticed that they have much more sophisticated methods for "dealing" with hackers. In addition to the standard forum report method, they have in-game commands like /report, which will alert a mod to a potential hacker/rule breaker. This mod can then tp over to the player and assess if a player is in fact breaking the rules. This is just one of many examples of anti-cheat that this server could (and should) implement. Also, in terms of punishment, this is by far the most lenient server that I have seen in terms of punishment for hackers. I also suggest that we increase the punishment for hackers (for example, double the ban time for the first 3/5/7 bans, after that its a 1 month ban or permanent ban).

      The main reason that I am posting this is because getting new things implemented/done on this server is often very hard, and I need to show the administrators that this is a problem that people are getting annoyed by (and leaving over - I've known many who have gone to other servers with similar game modes just because there were fewer hackers there).

      Thanks for reading this and (hopefully) your support!
       
    2. Swift
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      As much as you think /report would do good I honestly disagree. Not only would report bascially do the same as /gmsg but we can already teleport to players ourselves. I also believe that reporting users on the forums is pretty basic and not a hassle at all. I agree we should increase the punishment for minigame hackers but other gamemodes get 1 month, no need to increase unless they have multiple offenses.

      We do have anti cheat, it may not be the best but then again no anti cheat can work really with all of the updates that hacked clients receive we would need to update the plugin every so often to keep it updated.

      I do find it funny you say you hate hackers but if you look yourself up in the reports:banned sections there's at least 6 reports on you for hacking that were accepted :c.

      Anyways if I understand your points I will go neutral with this suggestion.
       
    3. Xethorias
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      Kohi's is op.
       
    4. Paskov123
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      Well, as I've repeatedly told you recently, I have stopped hacking. The last few reports were admittedly the mods fault (not ripping on mods here, but they admitted that they were rushing and mistakenly accepted the report without fully examining it - totally fine b/c I know that they are busy and that no "justice system" is perfect).

      However, what I am trying to achieve here is a more efficient way to deal with hackers on the server. For you (swift), reporting people on the forums may not be much of a hassle, but for many, many others it is. Not only do most players not have a recording system, but it also takes time out of the player's fun to go and report someone. Basically what I am trying to say here is that it is not a very good method to be SOLELY relying on.

      As for the anti-cheat, I understand that no anti-cheat is perfect. However, the one used on this server isn't very good at all. I have seen servers averaging 10-20 players at once that have MUCH better anti-cheat. Also, I had a server several months ago that used a much better anticheat.
       
    5. Pip
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      Agree with Swift on this..

      Just a quick question tho... Are each of individual games on mini-games recorded? (Either through what is said.. or actual visual imagery)
       
    6. Paskov123
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      @Pip I doubt that they are. That would take a large "toll" on the servers performance. If you play cod, you may remember that they had theater mode in like Blops 1 and MW3, but they have taken it out in the most recent versions for last gen consoles (xbox 360/ps3). This is because recording every game requires a lot of power and therefore causes lag, which for 99% of players, was not worth the sacrifice.
       
    7. Pip
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      Fair point..
       
    8. Nitro
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      #BringInTheaterMode??!?!??!?!?!
       
    9. Mega_
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      So when I tell a mod that someone is afk triggerbotting/kill aura grinding. Then the mod says they can't force tp, they're actually lying and letting them get away with hacking?

      Kohi isn't a server. Also if you're referring to GCheat it recently banned me while in the lobby for "Unfair Advantage".
       
    10. Swift
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      AFK Killaura we can not ban for, as it can be faked.
      Depending the gamemode as some gamemodes we don't have /tp on.
       
    11. Mega_
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      So the owners don't trust the mods to record people hacking while afk? Also it's can only be faked in a safezone as fake hacker doesn't deal damage to mobs or let people auto fish.
       
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      I Totally agree with Swift
       
    13. Jubba
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      The state of the server at the moment is perfectly fine. Sure we have a few hackers here and there, but then on every single server I know of, there are players that hack.

      There is not much that the Staff team can do. They are already doing the best that they can.
      And, us as players, it is our duty to report these hackers, in order to make this server a better place.

      I also find it a bit hypocritical that you have been banned many times for hacking before, as stated by Swift.

      No support.
       
    14. Paskov123
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      Thanks for the input Jubba, but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I understand that the staff team is doing the best with what they are given, but what I am trying to do here is elevate their capacity to "deal" with hackers. As swift and mega said above, they are constrained by some limitations, for example not being able to force tp to players. On many other servers mods are given greater trust and more perms to do what they do best: moderate. On Noobcrew's other server skyblock, I remember mods having all sorts of perms like rolling back and island, examining chest logs, and so on. With more perms or simply better anti-cheat software, the mods will have an easier time dealing with hackers and the server will have less hackers in general. Also, the server simply doesn't have "a few hackers here and there." On top of what i said above, I played kitpvp for the first time yesterday in a while, and I ran into several players that were clearly hacking almost immediately. Yes, every server has hackers, but proportionally, this server has a much higher rate of hacking. As for the players duty, I think our main job is to have fun on the server. Yes, a player can go and report people, but this duty shouldn't really be forced upon them, especially if simply installing better anti-cheat and giving harsher punishments could greatly eliminate any need for players to spend their time reporting.

      Also, I don't appreciate you calling me a hypocrite. It would be hypocritical of me to be ripping on hackers if I was currently hacking, but as I said before, I am not hacking and have not in a while. Also, I see that you have been banned before for hacking/threats, so your not really one to talk.
       
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      Support. As most people have stated, you can just report people on the forums. But reports usually take 10-30 minutes to be accepted or denied. This method of using a "/report" command could speed up the process of getting hackers banned via the forums, because by the time the player has been banned, a game will probably have already ended.
       
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      wow are u really so lazy??
       
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      I really don't see the need for /report (as many have stated). The moderators have enough to do already. Going on the forums to create reports isn't that difficult either, ALTHOUGH it could potentially be hard for some younger or unexperienced people. I find myself neutral. Wouldn't hurt to implement this either
       
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      No Support. Reasons Stated
       
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      Why I like this: /report would make it a lot easier for moderators to find hackers that are online, it's a good time saver for staff and payers.

      Why I dislike this: Staff would get spammed a lot, we get spammed enough already we don't need this extra command implemented to spam us more. Also people could abuse this, they could report someone who's not even hacking just to waste our time.

      Neutral.
       
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      this is unnecessary to mention
      his suggestion isnt less valid bc he hacked in the past

      im neutral
      i agree w longer ban times, for mini games specifically
      i can see the /report thing working out only if we had more mods on 24/7 n spread out more across game modes
      but until that happens i cant support due to spam surplus on the mods side n the risk of abuse by trolls
       

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