Las Vegas Shooting

I'm sure a lot of you have heard about the mass shooting in Las Vegas. If you have any friend or relative that was part of the concert, I am sorry for your loss and feel the way you feel now. What questions me is how the f*** was steve able to 50+ guns, most of them shotguns and assault rifles, and few pistols and mods. In addition why didn't the police arrive there immediately after when the security got shot with 200 bullets? Even without the security guard, what took so long for the swat team to reach the room? Why cant they just bust into the hotel?

This is puzzling to me a lot.

 

He carried over 400 pounds of weapons in the room, that's what's so sketchy to me. It doesn't add up.

 

Someone's parent from my school got killed but I don't know them personally. It's crazy how this happens in America.

 

Sorry for your friend's parent's loss.

America is known for that lol. They're also known to have a lot of hate groups lol.

 

I want to rant about this bad but my views will trigger everyone ;<

 

doesn't matter, he had cameras watching the hallways, he was going to kill himself regardless

 

i don’t think the forums can do anything about your questions

i mean where are we supposed to find the answers to “why did they take so long?”

and even if you did find answers to your irrelevant question, it won’t fix anything. whatever was going to happen has happened.

 

Wishing the best for the victims families'. I wish there was a way to prevent this...

 

Well there is evidence that he planned to escape.

http://time.com/4975397/las-vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock-escale-plan-explosives-timeline/

 

I heard that a witness had reported there was multiple gun men.

 

Yes so sorry for everyone's loss. Such things should never be able to happen. :( One of our MineVerse members PM'd me about this 15 minutes after it started since they were concerned about a family member who was attending the concert. They did make it out OK. But this really has me deeply saddened and upset; it should never have happened.

The NRA is not a government gun licensing bureau. Just the opposite. They are a "private" entity that has so much money, that they are bribing politicians to push their own agenda to "eliminate" gun safety laws. They donate millions to campaign funds to get politicians elected then they force them to change laws to make it easier to anyone to get a hold of any guns or any gun accessory.

The NRA is currently trying to get laws passed to allow the purchase of silencers and flame suppressors without the need for a special permit. They are wanting to deregulate them totally claiming hunters are going deaf without them. What bull. Think about this, the ONLY reason the SWAT team was able to take that fool out so quickly was because of the loudness and bright flashes of the gunfire which gave away his position to everyone looking up. If he was using silencers then it would have be far more difficult to locate where he was and people may not have realized there was a shooting going on.

I would have to say the SWAT did respond rapidly. After all, they all were not hanging out in the lobby of the hotel before this happened... they were coming from all over the city. Some were probably on duty and others were out about doing their civilian things. For them to act that quickly is impressive. But yeah, wish they were able to respond in seconds instead.

Did you realize that in the US there is more than one mass shooting per day but they don't even get air time on the news anymore? The NRA is trying to deregulate guns 100% where anyone can buy any kind of gun at any time. Where anyone can own any kind of gun or any number of guns. They claim regulations on guns does not work. But guess what? Explosives are highly related including the raw materials to make them. How many acts of mass violence is carried out with explosives in the US? Practically none vs more than one mass shootings per day? Kind of sounds like regulations on guns may have a positive impact, hu?

Its been reported that he used multiple suite cases over a few days to transport everything to that room.

I like said the NRA is a private entity. They have no powers to restrict anything, but they do bribe politicians to try to get their way. They will not recommend restricting the use of bump-stocks since they had been pushing for them to be deregulated. Remember, they are in the business to reduce restrictions on guns so more people can/will buy them so manufacturers can make more profits.

Yes there were clear signs he was planning this for a long time. He sent away his girl friend a few weeks prior to doing this so it was premeditated for sure. He also started to purchase all those guns within the last year. So his planning for this tragedy probably started well over a year ago, if not years ago.

Yes we are, unfortunately... there are "a lot" of people who are racists and hate minorities, which is reflective in "our" current government. How sad, hu? :( But what you may not be seeing on the outside are the millions who are fighting every day to try to protect the innocent and the minorities. We have a few really bad people here that are making a huge mess of things, but there are far more who are trying to clean it up. Eventually things should get better; don't give up on us.

For those who do not understand what the heck is going on in the USA right now, here is a clue: "It's all about profits."

 

then why didn't he escape?

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There is an old saying that dates back to around the 1860's: "Stupid is as stupid does."

He may have stockpiled items that could be used for an escape, but based upon his actions I doubt he would have been intelligent enough to figure out how to actually escape. I suspect he gathered the items and stockpiled them in his car more as a security blanket (ie... baby blanket) since he probably had no real intention on escaping. I think the fact that killed himself shows he had no real solid plans on escaping.

I think that article that was reference above is more bait-and-switch than anything. The headline was "Las Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock Had an Escape Plan" and the first paragraph had "targeted aviation fuel tanks, stockpiled his car with explosives and had personal protection gear as part of an escape plan, the Clark County sheriff said Monday." That was the only mention of an escape plan and they didn't even quote what the sheriff said, so some of that could have been taken out of context. It is likely the sheriff did not say anything about those items being related to an actual escape plan, otherwise they would have been quoted.

So you see what I'm saying? The headline says he had an escape plan. But the only reference in the article only refers to what was found in his car and the fact that he had some body armor. The author of that article was the one "drawing" the conclusion that there was an escape plan. The sheriff was not quoted in saying there was one either. Therefore bait-and-switch to get clicks.

 

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But it doesn't bc a black market exists

 

Wii, the thing is that, yes, a black market exists, and will always exist. But as the laws close the loop holes, it will be more difficult to funnel weapons of this magnitude in to that black market. Not everyone will be able to "find" a way to purchase through the black market either. So just because there is a black market, not everyone will find a way to buy through it either. Generally, I would suspect, prices would be a lot higher too, so if someone can buy, will they be able to afford it, and buy as many as they would want to?

The main point here, is that in the states that have been tightening the gun laws, mass shootings PLUS gun violence on a whole has been noticeably reduced. Its a clear fact. It could be said that people could cross state lines to buy any gun legally from neighboring states without the gun control laws, or they can buy from the black market in those states, but that's not happening so gun crimes are dropping noticeably where gun control laws are put in to place.

The gun control laws should not impact a honest, law abiding citizen from buying their hand guns, riffles, shot guns, or even semi-automatics. If they are willing to submit the required paperwork, go through the back ground checks, they can also legally purchase full-autos in many states. Nothing wrong with that either. But it will keep it out of the hands of those who are high risks.

I personally do not own any guns, nor will I ever. I have family members who have had "collections" of hundreds and I used to frequently "try out" many of them in my pre-teen to early teen years. And yes there were some that were illegal, but none were actual military-grade. So I understand the drive of a collector; there are many amazing historic and one-of-a-kind guns out there. But do individuals really need to own the military-grade guns designed specifically to kill each other? I personally don't think so.

 

a thread were 12 year olds playing minecraft fight over gun control, this should be good

 

Who said we were fighting? We are discussing. Big difference.

Wait... who said I was 12?

 

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