Hello everyone, This is a post specifically directed towards the staff, and ex staff as they would be aware as to what I am talking about. The topic is perm bans. Firstly, ideally, perm bans should be enforced in situations that are of a serious nature; such as repeat offences or offences that inflict harm on the server and the environment. There are many more circumstances in which perm bans are used, although it has come to my attention that; "Perm bans" are being enforced without actually being "perm". Perm bans are being enforced for invalid, or insufficient reasons that do not suffice for a perm ban. Perm bans are being undone, despite the nature of the player that was perm banned. The main point I will be focusing on is point 3 as of yet. When I was mod, I perm banned a player under the name of D_Verhagen_500 due to his ridiculous amounts of bans. I logged on today to see that he had been unbanned, but under what cause? This person has been banned dozen's of times for hacking(literally and metaphorically) and has also been banned for ban evading, and other offences. I made a post about this when I resigned requesting that my perm bans be left for a reason - And I made my reasons evident. Firstly, I'd like to wonder why the hell people of this nature are allowed back into the community despite their repetitive actions that are inflicting damage to the community? The KitPvP community is already poisoned with hackers to the extent I believe with a 5 minute recording, I could clean up at least 25 hackers. Let's put it into perspective - Here's his previous bans(that I could find): http://www.mineverse.com/posts/486311/ (He was apparently 'perm banned' here http://www.mineverse.com/threads/kitpvp-jajaikbenhet-protivkiller013-ban-evading-panda-banned.46082/ Him ban evading http://www.mineverse.com/threads/kitpvp-protivkiller013-hacking-panda-banned.45148/ More hacks http://www.mineverse.com/posts/485250/ More hacks http://www.mineverse.com/threads/d_verhagen_500-hacking-banned-canucks.48303/ Oh theres more http://www.mineverse.com/threads/opfactions-d_verhagen_500-hacking-banned-recognized.46869/ OPFacs too? http://www.mineverse.com/threads/kitpvp-d_verhagen_500-hacking-pops-banned.32973/ Another? http://www.mineverse.com/threads/d_verhagen_500-hacking-vjigglez-kitkat-banned.31306/ Give it another http://www.mineverse.com/threads/wolf_pvp_-hacking-banned-inef.77002/ http://www.mineverse.com/threads/wolf_pvp_-hacking-antikb-mineverse-kitpvp-banned-dyna.67917/ http://www.mineverse.com/threads/itzdanipvp_yt-hacking-lack-of-evidence.82494/ Was probs hacking here too There's more, I can guarantee you of that. The point is that this is beyond ridiculous. Is it that the mods aren't looking at ban history first? Or is it that there is just a lack of care for the quality of the server? Or is it that incompetence is being shown? What annoys me the most is that it is the community that has to deal with it. People go out of their way to report people, and for what? So they get to walk free a lil' bit later? I'm sorry if I seem rude, but this is not ok and needs to be addressed. I hope we can shed light on this situation as it needs to be brought up. P.S. He just said this; if it's true, I do not blame the mods, although this still needs to be brought up. http://prntscr.com/b92yfb
From what I can find he's still supposed to be perm-banned. I'll see if another staff member unbanned him.
It's not just about him, he's just the perfect example. Perm bans shouldn't be something that are used so lightly.
They should re-add the rule where after 2 bans for the same offence you get perm banned. I liked that rule...
I used to permanently ban players and deny ALL of their appeals if they get banned the second time. Obviously they have no plans to reconcile if they do it for the second time, otherwise they would have not been banned again.
Yeah....perm banns should be permanent. The amount of new hackers is ridiculous, adding the repeat offenders back is never a good idea...
We understand, but it's not just him, and we really want to know what's going on with the perm bans that aren't permanent.
To be honest, I should of been perm banned a long time ago, when you said to keep me perm banned it was basically pushed away and if I can recall I got unbanned in less than a month. While I was moderator I banned UncleUrnesto, he's currently unbanned and there have been no ban resets whatsoever, perm bans should be permanent, maybe after a couple of months the ban can be reviewed but they should be taken seriously.
Ehh... But they don't necessarily need to review the ban... If the person is serious enough, he would personally take the initiative to post a ban appeal on his/her own. I agree with you, but the staff don't necessarily need to review bans unless for special reasons, in my opinion. Anything as long as it's permanent ban friendly.
Oh, I thought you meant they review whether the ban was correct, etc. Thanks for clarifying. I fully agree xD
It's actually not so obvious. I've been banned from the lobby a least twice, and from prison at least four times for hacking. I haven't hacked for months now, so to say someone who has hacked twice obviously have no plans to reconcile is not true, as I have proved. I think the current system is better, if your main is banned and isn't getting unbanned anytime soon people will just use mcleaks' accounts to hack Mineverse.
It's not about a system; perm bans should, and will always be a thing - It's circumstantial. I know that when I made a decision such as a perm ban, it was completely and utterly backed up. There was no argument due to the fact that there was so much evidence backing a perm ban, that the person had nothing to argue.
But what is the point of perm banning someone? They'll just get pissed and hack using mcleaks' accounts.
And where will that get them? Hiding, since the accounts they're using rarely work, and when they do, they're open to the public. On top of this, those accounts they use will most likely be banned, since they're 'hacking'. and even if they decide to use a separate account that they're not hacking on, they would be somewhat 'seeking' refuge to prevent themselves from being rebanned for ban evasion. Think about it, it's a complete and utter waste of time and an act of stupidity for them to even think about doing this. Yeah, at first this may happen, but it's not set in stone. They may just quit, or wait for an appeal. So yes, there is a purpose in perm banning someone. Point made.
Mcleaks works differently now. You log into their server and using a token you get from their website you can simple type /connect mineverse.com and get onto our server. It's very simple and quick, and ip checks can't solve anything as you login to Mineverse through a vpn automatically. A few months ago I was hacking on an mcleaks account, my main was banned and an ip check was actually done and it was confirmed that I was in fact not evading, when I was.
