Well, how do I start this. I would like to address two issues I feel are important. Firstly, I've heard that bans have been reset. Assuming this is correct, how is this fair? All the useless time and gigabytes spent recording the hackers, the scammers and the other rule breakers put to waste so they can potentially do it all again? Not only do I feel that this is fair on those who deserve a second chance but weren't unbanned(recent bans weren't reset, correct me if I am wrong), but also on the community who either strive to make the community a better place or just actively stick in the community not breaking the rules. Please, correct me if I am wrong on this topic, but if I'm not, can someone PLEASE tell me and perhaps others that are unaware of why this has happened and how it is fair? I ask @CypriotMerks (if my tag works) to please respond to this issue. My second topic is most likely a 'bit' more controversial. It is directed at the mods, and I am aware that I could receive possible hate for this. I have reported numerous people for Rule Breaking(Hacking in this situation), and a mod has decided to take over the situation and ban the player. What my issue is that I am addressing is the fact that the mods are not banning the players after one, two, yes even three, or MORE days. To me, that is ridiculous. Of course people are going to think, "Why don't you just PM the mod about this?" I shouldn't have to. Yeah, mods are people but they are people that signed up for the job. I'd like to give an example. I had a player banned for hacking. @PopIs_MyLife took over the report, 'banning' that player. Sorry Pops, your the most recent report I've encountered this in; don't take it offensively. Here's the link to the ban appeal that the player posted: http://www.mineverse.com/threads/banned-for-hacking-cai0002-pop.30878/page-3#post-314515 You can see there that the player was apparently 'banned'. But no, they weren't. I stated that on the appeal, with proof and Pops STILL hasn't banned the player. THAT player has been online a hour ago(from when I made this post). How is this yet again, fair. Pops isn't the only mod doing this. I've seen a report on Fryzigg too about this, and I bet there is other mods. It shouldn't be upto the players to harass the mods until they use the /ban command they have perms to use. Feel free to post your opinions on these views, this is mine and these issues need to be addressed; I don't feel it's fair on those in the community who consistently follow the rules.
The report was accepted well and truly before the ban list was reset. They aren't even going in game to ban the players.
@GizzBots I COMPLETELY agree. I was REALLY upset when daniel got unbanned. Luckily he got banned again for being a MAJOR offender but it made me quite upset. I understand how mad this will be making some people feel. There have been SO many hackers on recently and I am disappointing.
1) Only staff can tag Cyp/Noob 2) The ban reset wasn't a purposeful thing, it was because of an update 3) Some banned players actually do deserve a second chance, and possibly weren't provided with one 4) I don't see how it's not "fair" to those who follow the rules, it's not like it's an achievement of any kind, you're expected to, just because people break the rules doesn't change that, and this isn't something done on purpose, so I don't see the issue here, just report them if you see them breaking the rules, treat them as any other player, 1 unban doesn't make them invincible.
Your entitled to your opinion, but I'd like to inform you what I mean by 'reset unban list'. 1) I wasn't sure who could tag Cyp, ect ect. Doesn't matter tbh. 2) It doesn't matter if it was purposeful. It happened. It isn't fair. There are player who have been banned literally 3+ times for hacking on one acct, and their bans have been reset? Rofl? It wouldn't be hard to request the 30 mods to go through and check certain Gamemodes to ban those who should be banned. Maybe time consuming, but wouldn't be hard. 3) How do you know they deserve another chance? There's ban appeals for a reason, isn't hard to make them. Either way, it is unfair. 4) Ugh. I don't even wanna argue this one. I didn't even make out it's an achievement. Why is it unfair? The people who deserve to be on MV and follow the rules now have to put up with a large amount of hackers. That isn't fair, at all. As for it not being done on purpose... You don't drop a cat on its head then sit there and go 'oh well'. You fix the problem, make the cat feel comfortable. You don't make a mistake and not fix it, especially something as major as this. As for you not seeing an issue, sorry that you might have a top notch PC, super-speed internet and all the PC memory in the world. People shouldn't have to report people who should be banned.
This happens every single major version update, if you're asking mods to go through the report archives, look at every single ban ever made, check to see if they're unbanned, go on all the servers, ban them, you do realize there are about 22 staff, right? and that the server has been up for a year and a half? It's ridiculous to ask anybody to do that every time there's an update..
There's a solution somewhere. Perhaps they should assign certain mods to reports, and others to re-banning the recently banned players? No matter what you argue, whether it's effort, or the time that would be needed to go into the solution, you can't argue that it isn't really fair.
A lot of change in MV is "unfair" to players, I honestly could prove that this is fair, but then again, I don't really need to, you've made the thread, you have to prove it isn't. If you insist upon it: - Banned players, are banned for reasons, yes, some have had multiple chances, those players are often re-banned after updates, as they are a threat to the server, or have committed multiple offences towards the server, they need to be re-banned, and are. - You're saying a player who auc scammed should be re-banned because it was some kid who didn't fully know the rules? I don't really think that's fair. - Not all people know how to make appeals, not even all players are aware there is a forum, on some ban messages(Like I've seen) "Hacking, appeal-Mineterria/Mine", no where does it state a website, or how to apply on said website. I believe I've proven my case, players are banned for a reason, which is often fair, people who appeal/were banned incorrectly are unbanned, again, fair, players who were unbanned by an update and will not break the rules again get unbanned, fair, huge offenders to the server get re-banned, fair.
All I can say is if you are banned for a reason, your banned. Everyone else has to make appeals, what makes these people special? A stroke of luck? I'm not going to type much, my phone is on 3%. Your opinion is your opinion, obviously I can't influence it. All I can say is the Ban appeal system is easy as hell, they aren't exactly 'strict' and it's pretty simple. Heck, you even get the link with the ban message ;)
This is why I'm saying it's fair for some people to be unbanned if they aren't an actual threat to the server.
If they find another server, then clearly they don't care about MV and wouldn't know/care about being unbanned. That is completely irrelevant to this discussion, now is it? Smh.
If everybody who was banned, even for an incorrect ban, left and found another server, MV would basically be nothing, if you're encouraging players to leave, great, you go do that, but don't go lecturing people about fairness when you think not being knowledgeable about appeals is a good reason to leave the server.
Ok, stop posting here. Your arguing stupid and invalid points that is just annoying me. You don't appeal unless you want to be unbanned. Not everyone leaves after being banned, now do they? Think about what your arguing. The point of this thread is to not only create awareness throughout the mods on bans, but also to express how it is unfair on the public to have all the hackers and scammers unbanned without them having a fair trial(ban appeal is what I am referring to). Sorry, but if you think that's fair, you must be playing skyblock or something where hackers aren't a major problem. Please, just stop posting here. I am too lazy to reply to your comments.
Last time I'm gonna post: Alright, because you fail to answer my points with a statement you say they're stupid and invalid, yet they're fully on topic, and part of the discussion, I'm not arguing in any way, I'm saying why I think this is fair, players who are a major threat to the community are re-banned. The Moderators are obviously aware that people have been unbanned, they're obviously aware it can be an issue, these have been brought up before and I don't see how making a thread about it for people to read is helping at all. Hackers are an issue? Pfft. Yes, hackers are breaking the rules, something that's not allowed, tell me, would you rather be killed by a hacker or DDoS'd? MAJOR threats to the server are banned, as they have to be, if you can't appreciate Mods for doing the best they can with the time they have, and not accept opinions stating otherwise, don't post your opinions.
You are so unaware of what things are truly like. Mods aren't 're-banning' what you consider to be major threats. Sorry, but it's easier to hack your *** off then to ddos someone. Ddosing requires an IP, hacking requires downloading a client and toggling a few keys. I've never seen this brought up before, hence why I made this thread. Sorry, I wasn't aware that I wasn't allowed to post a thread on my views on something without being hated on. As for me not accepting your opinion.. Mmk. Sorry, I didn't say it enough times. I'd also like to apologise that I have my views on mods, and that I am outright about what I think while still staying respectful. Please don't try to hammer me about 'not accepting your opinion' when you have the same opinion as me. Glad you've decided to stop posting.
