Neutral. Leaning towards support. There are some mods who ban for different amounts of time for the same offense.

 

Support

 

No support.

This would be a waste of time. Moderating itself is quite an easy task, it doesn't take long to get the hang of, two or three days at most.

Furthermore, out of all the people who have ever been promoted, I can only recall one or two getting demoted within the first month of their promotion.

 

Support, theres been a mod who’se been promoted recently that seems to not understand their job, they warn for simple things like saying “damn”. This can be avoided if trainee mods are implemented because while being a trainee they can further understand whats warnable & bannable. The last thing the server needs is chat mods anyways, op pvp is the most active game mode & not many of the mods know how to tell whether someone is cheating or not, (Hence why like 50% of the people who play closet cheat). Giving trainee would give applicants a chance to prove that they know when a person is ghost cheating & prove whether or not they can handle certain situations. Not everyone has the same learning speed & not everyone can be held to the same standard when it comes to moderating as people view the rules & whats appropriate differently at times ( hence why that mod warned for the player saying “Damn”). Once again, support.

No offense but arent you that same person that reported that guy when you thought he was cheating when he clearly wasn’t? The same guy being unbanned after explaining how in the video it was just a height advantage. That being said with trainee, people who actually know the difference between when someone is & isnt cheating can prove themselves to the community that they know what their doing. Instead of just throwing the moderator role to whoever has a lengthy application & a few reports, give applicants a chance to be put in the scenario where they can prove themselves worthy of being mod. At the end of the day most of the people who apply are applying for their first time, no one actually knows how they’d do as moderator.

 

I’ve always agreed with a trial moderator or something similar. The problem with the current system is that it is completely reliant on the newly promoted staff member to ask questions. However, a lot of people think that they know what they’re doing and refuse to ask questions. This happened multiple times with people even I mentored.

The mentors usually compile a bunch of helpful information, but what good is it if the mentee doesn’t take it to heart? It’s completely useless. If this rank were implemented it gives them a purpose to focus and learn these things because they have something to work up to. I know for a fact it doesn’t feel good when a moderator you mentored gets demoted because they didn’t take you or the job seriously.

Edit: Plus, I’m not sure if it still works the same way, but when I was staff you had to have worked for 2+ promotion waves before you were allowed to be a mentor. I think this is a good basis if it is even still in place, but I think more Sr. Mods are needed, or a select group of people specifically designated to train the trial-mods/moderators when they’re promoted. Not everyone is a good teacher, that’s just the way it it is.

 

It doesn't take anyone longer than two or three days to learn how to click a few buttons.

It's very easy to accuse someone of hacking, but when you're the one who has to ban them it's a completely different scenario. When you're the person who has to give the ban, the responsibility is entirely on you if you get it wrong, therefore you MUST have solid evidence before you ban someone. When you're a moderator you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the reported player...if the evidence doesn't beyond a doubt prove they were hacking then you cannot ban that player, even if it's common knowledge that they hack.

That is something that 99.99% of the OPPvP community will never understand because they have never been in a position where the final decision on whether or not someone is hacking rests on them, they've never felt the pressure of that fact that if you get it wrong you've just falsely banned someone for whatever amount of time.

 

You literally just contradicted yourself. You say it takes two or three days to learn to moderate, after all it’s only pushing a few buttons, typing a few commands, easy stuff right? Yet you proceed to mention the fact that false bans are a problem, moderators not knowing how to identify hacks is a problem, and all of the pressure on them is a problem. Hmmm.......It almost sounds like they could use a decent training period :eek:

 

What? I did not state anywhere that false bans are a problem. I was just stating that it's easier to hackusate than it is to be the person actually banning.

"Spotting hacks" isn't really something that you can teach, you have to be familiar with PvP yourself to know what kind of hits/reach are/is legitimate from what angles/distances and whatnot.

 

Sorry the false banning part came from another message I read, my bad. Even so, it’s a very common problem. Nobody’s perfect, everyone makes mistakes, but that doesn’t mean you can’t try and familiarize yourself with them. But the pressure, maybe it’s not as bad these days considering there isn’t much going on, but it used to be so much stress on everyone. There’s not exactly a way to be “prepared” for it. Everybody handles these things differently, but if they’re eased into it, supported by the rest of their “team”....then it makes it easier for everyone.

That’s true, having a PvP background greatly benefits the moderator when looking for specific hacks, but that can be something that is covered during training. That’s what i’m trying to say. It is very easy to take videos, find examples, slow them down, explain why there are/aren’t hacks in the video, explain the different types, how to find them. It is not unteachable just because you don’t have any experience in the combat aspect of minecraft. It takes more than just a day or two to explain these things and actually “implant” them in their mind.

P.S: i’m not trying to flame with you I just want to hear your side from why you don’t agree and also explain why it would benefit based on my experience.

 

I understand that it must be hard for the mods to decipher whether someone is cheating or not... but it's because most of them don't come from years of PvP & experience with people who cheat. How can you give responsibility to someone who can't tell whether their cheating or not, someone who isn't that great at pvp themselve's. A lot of the moderators don't pvp & most of them pay more attention to the chat rather than watching the actuals player fight. But I won't argue with someone who's recorded themselves cheating on op pvp in the past, not to be rude but you clearly didn't take the moderating position seriously either. Either way if they gave trainee to people who actually know how to pvp & who can differentiate whether someone is legit or not, I feel like the rate of people closet cheating would go down. ( had to rewrite on my PC because my phone was glitching out)

It's unfiltered now, I've recalled you saying damn in the past as well so for a moderator to be ignorant enough to warn someone ( who wasn't me ) for saying "damn" just proves how much he needed more time to be trained & lectured, hence why I support the idea of Trainee's.

I'm glad you found it funny, but in all seriousness we have enough mods who watch the chat & people in game who report for stuff said in game. Trainee's would also benefit to keep the toxicity down when moderators aren't online. I recall you saying that most moderators have lives so for Trainee's to stay on & report all the stuff that goes on would be really beneficial.

Most of the time when you guys ban someone for cheating it's because their blatantly cheating, what about those people who closet cheat & who you actually have to fight & pay close attention to?

Not everyone has the necessary recording equipment or the time to report people ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I've made mistakes but I don't falsely accuse people of cheating when I know their legit, hence why people who PvP a lot should recieve trainee to warn mods about who is & isn't cheating.

Not bashing you guys, Purge is a great mod for PvP, as he's actually been pvping since before his promotion & he's pretty decent.


Not only have I noticed that certain mods from the new wave of mods have not really followed protocol, but I’ve noticed that their childish & stay stuff like “take the L” after banning people. Not only does this promote the player to come back angry at the mod (causing toxicity) but it gives a bad example to applicants of what a mod acts like. If mods were given time to sink in & learn the do’s & donts with Trainee or Helper rank, they wouldn’t be so childish to do stuff like this. I’ve seen new mods ban someone for staff disrespect then completely ignore a few minutes later when people they consider their friends disrespect them in chat. This is being biased & is definitely not a good example of what they should be doing as their first weeks of mod, really disappointed to see the staff team take such a negative turn. That being said, maybe adding trainees could help fix it, it could be like as soon as a applicant gets a certain amount of support, they get trainee & whether or not the applicant is worthy could be decided by the staff.

 

Support we really need this

 

Support.

 

No support leaning towards neutral